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Comment by throwawayffffas | original | Why did some Apollo missions carry a grenade launcher?
[−]throwawayffffas · 2026-11-15 Sun 11:08 UTC · link
The soviets did regularly carry a gun. For survival purposes, as they were landing in Siberia which has wolves and pretty big bears.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TP-82

[−]jeltz · 2026-11-15 Sun 11:58 UTC · link
Feels a bit excessive. Wolves and brown bears generally avoid humans. Polar bears see us as food but brown bears do not.
[−]Hnrobert42 · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:06 UTC · link
"Generally" implies there are exceptions. Would hate to be unprepared.
[−]jeltz · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:08 UTC · link
Of course there are exceptions but ticks kill more people than bears and wasps kill way more people.
[−]SAI_Peregrinus · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:09 UTC · link
Ticks and wasps are much, much more common than bears.
[−]cykros · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:08 UTC · link
It's never excessive to carry a gun.
[−]Ylpertnodi · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:21 UTC · link
TSA says no.
[−]thephyber · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:44 UTC · link
Sky marshals have weapons and the TSA allows them.

Being an astronaut means you are trusted with extreme responsibilities and it also means extreme oversight. That's part of why the selection process is so thorough and stress response is so well evaluated before NASA will put a person in space.

Reading the parent's comment pedantically is useless and against this site's guidelines. Reading it more charitably + less literally makes more sense.

[−]SV_BubbleTime · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:05 UTC · link
(P(365))
[−]grosswait · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:14 UTC · link
If you’re a pilot or cosmonaut in Siberia, you might not have come down as planned and might be there for a while. An injured, possibly bleeding human could be easy prey. They also have tigers…
[−]wongarsu · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:16 UTC · link
You might be underestimating how remote some Soviet capsules landed. If they overshot their landing site they might be alone in the wilderness for days until rescue teams arrived

"Kosmonaut survives space mission, gets mauled by bear protecting her cub" is not a great headline. Bringing gun was relatively cheap insurance

[−]Geezus_42 · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:06 UTC · link
Might need something to eat if you have to wait a few days for the rescue team to reach you.
[−]mattmaroon · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:29 UTC · link
Gun and bear solves that problem too.
[−]cucumber3732842 · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:09 UTC · link
"So the bad news is we're responsible for our next meal, but the good news is Ivan's space food farts will lead the meal right to us"
[−]b112 · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:58 UTC · link
[−]TeMPOraL · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:48 UTC · link
A gun helps with that, too.
[−]Someone · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:05 UTC · link
Want, not need. A few days without food is quite survivable for a healthy human. And if you get selected for a space flight, you are healthy.
[−]TeMPOraL · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:19 UTC · link
That works if you have absolute trust the rescue team will reach you on schedule. If you are unsure whether few days won't turn into few weeks, or whether there will be a rescue team at all, it's best to secure food and shelter while you still have the energy to do it.
[−]lenerdenator · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:33 UTC · link
> "Kosmonaut survives space mission, gets mauled by bear protecting her cub" is not a great headline.

Let's be honest here: the Soviets were never going to print that anyways.

[−]SXX · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:39 UTC · link
It would certainly be printed for KPSS Politburo and someone would end up far away in Siberia.
[−]dimview · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:45 UTC · link
Brown bears attack people in Russia quite frequently [1].

[1] https://meduza.io/en/feature/2026/09/11/russia-has-a-bear-pr...

[−]SapporoChris · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:52 UTC · link
I think it's important not to overgeneralize with something that might potentially kill you. The brown bears in Japan can be deadly. A 380 kg and 2.7-m-tall brown bear, which twice attacked the village of Tomamae, killing 7 people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussuri_brown_bear#Interactions...

[−]tliltocatl · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:45 UTC · link
26 fatalities due to bear attacks this year: https://tass.ru/obschestvo/28211259 https://eia.media/ru/article/society/6aa937759a7947f75201876... https://www.rbc.ru/society/15/09/2026/6aa937759a7947f7520187... This year bear encounters made headlines in Russia, but the number of fatalities isn't unusual. Records is 80/year in 1985, 1986 and 1996. Brown bears don't see us as food as long as there is some other food available. If food is scarce this year (some random dude on the internet says that there were an early thaw followed by freeze in 2024 that cause pine cone yield in 2026 to fail) they might attack. Either out of desperation or when encountered over a food source (i. e. garbage dump) and mistakes a human for a competitor.
[−]matkoniecz · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:44 UTC · link
Landing in remote part of Siberia is not a typical situation and many typical assumptions do not apply.
[−]themaninthedark · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:16 UTC · link
What about lunar bears or Saturn bears? Those seem to be heavily armed.

https://youtu.be/pvjgIxuVdo4?is=7sF64RM0qTNqJguw

[−]dghlsakjg · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:08 UTC · link
There was a brown (North American Grizzly) predation attack on Nov 2. It’s rare, but not unheard of.

Wolf predation attacks on humans are rare, but far more common than brown bear attacks.

[−]wildzzz · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:32 UTC · link
"generally". A hungry bear or wolf might be tempted to mess with an injured cosmonaut.
[−]wongarsu · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:23 UTC · link
Salyut 3 also had a "self-defence gun" derived from an aircraft autocannon mounted to the station, enabling them to shoot at approaching enemy spacecraft

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salyut_3#On-board_gun

[−]dmos62 · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:09 UTC · link
> The gun was fixed to the station in such a way that the only way to aim would have been to change the orientation of the entire station.

Are these stations easier to maneuver than I imagine? Sounds like someone was imagining age of sail type of combat.

[−]odyssey7 · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:39 UTC · link
I would guess having any sort of teeth would be meaningful to dissuade whatever type of manned craft might have been able to approach them at the time.
[−]NooneAtAll5 · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:58 UTC · link
tbf, docking attempts would not be that fast either
[−]saalweachter · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:53 UTC · link
I'm guessing that pivoting the gun and firing would impart spin to the station, is the greater concern. And then pivoting the gun to stay on target would impart even more spin on subsequent shots.
[−]dylan604 · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:53 UTC · link
What if you pivoted in the opposite direction?
[−]weezing · 2026-11-15 Sun 19:11 UTC · link
Russian paranoia at its finest
[−]varjag · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:28 UTC · link
They most certainly have a shank stashed on ISS somewhere
[−]vbezhenar · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:34 UTC · link
There also might be some unfriendly people. Like escaped convicts living in the woods, in the middle of nowhere.
[−]sebzim4500 · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:53 UTC · link
I believe people involved in the program have since admitted that this was mostly to commit suicide in case they got stuck with no way home
[−]pavel_lishin · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:57 UTC · link
Surely a chemical/biological solution would have been easier, cheaper, lighter, and less likely to fail.
[−]lanyard-textile · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:59 UTC · link
Who said what's in the gun :)
[−]fnord77 · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:23 UTC · link
> chemical/biological solution

both massively unpleasant

[−]sebzim4500 · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:25 UTC · link
It would but that would have gone against the image that the soviets were trying to convey internally and externally
[−]throwawayffffas · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:30 UTC · link
The solution is you need no solution, air is gonna run out, they will fall unconscious and die.
[−]sebzim4500 · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:01 UTC · link
Eventually yes but if they are unable to scrub CO2 they will die in one of the worst ways possible.
[−]scrumper · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:15 UTC · link
Cyanide pill I get. Tried and tested.

But a biological solution?! I imagine a little jar full of extremely venomous spiders, one for each cosmonaut. Perhaps they'd give them names.

[−]greyr0ck · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:22 UTC · link
Is that you Boris?
[−]echelon · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:05 UTC · link
I imagine you can't take turns easily once there's a hole in the ship.

On the other hand, there are legitimate predators that will hunt and eat humans in Siberia. One team encountered wolves that they had trouble fending off, so they upgraded the pistol to a more formidable shotgun/rifle combo.

[−]Cpoll · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:28 UTC · link
Unlikely that a handgun bullet passing through a skull will still have enough velocity to breach the hull? Even if it did, they'd just need to be deliberate with their aim vis-a-vis a steel plate.
[−]dylan604 · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:01 UTC · link
If you're committing suicide in space, why do you care if there's a hole in the hull of the spacecraft?
[−]echelon · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:56 UTC · link
If there's explosive decompression, you might leave the survivors with a longer, more stressful and painful death.

If the gunshot creates shrapnel or propels the gun away, it might create additional hardship for the remaining crew.

I don't think this is an ideal mechanism.

[−]NooneAtAll5 · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:57 UTC · link
feels like you just invented this lie on the spot
[−]fhdkweig · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:24 UTC · link
It may be invented, but not by him. It is at least as old as the 1997 film Contact.

https://vimeo.com/188517388

The description blurb reads:

  "Since Apollo 13 many people have asked me, 'Did you have suicide pills on board?' We didn't, and I never heard of such a thing in the eleven years I spent as an astronaut and NASA executive," - Jim Lovell, commander of the ill-fated Apollo 13 mission.

  For this scene, from the movie "Contact", based off his book, I guess Carl Sagan got inspiration from the Soviet Voskhod 2 mission. Cosmonaut Alexey Leonov said he was given a suicide pill by the authorities, in the event that he might get stuck outside of the Voskhod spacecraft while attempting the very first "spacewalk" or EVA (extra-vehicular activity).

  For NASA's options, Gerry Griffin, a former director of the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, corroborated Lovell's statement, bluntly adding that if an astronaut truly wished to end his or her life, space provides plenty of opportunities. Outer space is just as effective a suicide agent as a cyanide capsule, perhaps even more so. Exposure to its empty vacuum often results in a blissful loss of consciousness in a matter of seconds. Death by asphyxiation usually follows within two minutes. (from http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/10/astronauts-and-suicide-pills.html)

  Uploaded on Oct 23, 2016 at 5:36 am
As for the 2013 link, it reads that although the Americans weren't issued suicide capsules, at least one Soviet had one (although he didn't say if it was issued by the space program vs him just carrying it with him of his own accord).
[−]dylan604 · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:59 UTC · link
And how would that suicide pill work exactly? It's not like they could reach into their pocket and pop it in their mouth. That means it has to be in the suit and specifically in the helmet. Again, how would that work? Where's the pill located so that it is accessible in the helmet? Did they replace a tooth so they could just bite down really hard like other nonsense spy movies? So much of this doesn't track
[−]echoangle · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:45 UTC · link
> It's not like they could reach into their pocket and pop it in their mouth.

Why not? I think the failure youre defending against is "Retrorockets have failed but the capsule is still pressurized", so you could easily just take the pill and have a nicer death than suffocating.

[−]fhdkweig · 2026-11-15 Sun 19:07 UTC · link
I think he is referring to the soviet in the 2013 link. He was in his suit when he got pinned.

> Though no NASA astronaut has ever taken a suicide pill into space, the same cannot be said for their Russian cosmonaut colleagues. Alexey Leonov, the first man to conduct a spacewalk, took one with him on his historical 12-minute stroll on March 18th, 1965, just in case he was unable to return to the spacecraft and his colleague Pavel Belyayev was forced to leave him adrift in orbit. He almost needed it. When trying to reenter his spacecraft, Leonov's stiffened suit became stuck in the entryway. He was forced to depressurize his suit slightly in order to dislodge himself, slide inside the craft, and close the hatch.

[−]throwawayffffas · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:29 UTC · link
They already had a makarov pistol with them from the start. They made this custom short barrel double shotgun with a third rifle barrel.

This was to fend off wild life and maybe hunting while waiting for the recovery team to get to them if they came down far from the designated recovery zone.

[−]kakacik · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:33 UTC · link
Yeah thats why you invent small 2 barrel shotgun with big ammo and carry it all the way into space, while even small makarov pistol would fulfill that role
[−]SXX · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:37 UTC · link
Source?

Over the years at least 7 soviet missions landed off-target including Yuri Gagarin.

And not like 100-500 meters off target, but 200-600 kilometers. Having a gun in such cases make perfect sense.

[−]Betelbuddy · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:42 UTC · link
>> wolves and pretty big bears.

So the pistol was presumably for the astronaut to use on himself?