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Comment by sebzim4500 | original | Why did some Apollo missions carry a grenade launcher?
[−]sebzim4500 · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:53 UTC · link
I believe people involved in the program have since admitted that this was mostly to commit suicide in case they got stuck with no way home
[−]pavel_lishin · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:57 UTC · link
Surely a chemical/biological solution would have been easier, cheaper, lighter, and less likely to fail.
[−]lanyard-textile · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:59 UTC · link
Who said what's in the gun :)
[−]fnord77 · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:23 UTC · link
> chemical/biological solution

both massively unpleasant

[−]sebzim4500 · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:25 UTC · link
It would but that would have gone against the image that the soviets were trying to convey internally and externally
[−]throwawayffffas · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:30 UTC · link
The solution is you need no solution, air is gonna run out, they will fall unconscious and die.
[−]sebzim4500 · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:01 UTC · link
Eventually yes but if they are unable to scrub CO2 they will die in one of the worst ways possible.
[−]scrumper · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:15 UTC · link
Cyanide pill I get. Tried and tested.

But a biological solution?! I imagine a little jar full of extremely venomous spiders, one for each cosmonaut. Perhaps they'd give them names.

[−]greyr0ck · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:22 UTC · link
Is that you Boris?
[−]echelon · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:05 UTC · link
I imagine you can't take turns easily once there's a hole in the ship.

On the other hand, there are legitimate predators that will hunt and eat humans in Siberia. One team encountered wolves that they had trouble fending off, so they upgraded the pistol to a more formidable shotgun/rifle combo.

[−]Cpoll · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:28 UTC · link
Unlikely that a handgun bullet passing through a skull will still have enough velocity to breach the hull? Even if it did, they'd just need to be deliberate with their aim vis-a-vis a steel plate.
[−]dylan604 · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:01 UTC · link
If you're committing suicide in space, why do you care if there's a hole in the hull of the spacecraft?
[−]echelon · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:56 UTC · link
If there's explosive decompression, you might leave the survivors with a longer, more stressful and painful death.

If the gunshot creates shrapnel or propels the gun away, it might create additional hardship for the remaining crew.

I don't think this is an ideal mechanism.

[−]NooneAtAll5 · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:57 UTC · link
feels like you just invented this lie on the spot
[−]fhdkweig · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:24 UTC · link
It may be invented, but not by him. It is at least as old as the 1997 film Contact.

https://vimeo.com/188517388

The description blurb reads:

  "Since Apollo 13 many people have asked me, 'Did you have suicide pills on board?' We didn't, and I never heard of such a thing in the eleven years I spent as an astronaut and NASA executive," - Jim Lovell, commander of the ill-fated Apollo 13 mission.

  For this scene, from the movie "Contact", based off his book, I guess Carl Sagan got inspiration from the Soviet Voskhod 2 mission. Cosmonaut Alexey Leonov said he was given a suicide pill by the authorities, in the event that he might get stuck outside of the Voskhod spacecraft while attempting the very first "spacewalk" or EVA (extra-vehicular activity).

  For NASA's options, Gerry Griffin, a former director of the Johnson Space Center in Houston, Texas, corroborated Lovell's statement, bluntly adding that if an astronaut truly wished to end his or her life, space provides plenty of opportunities. Outer space is just as effective a suicide agent as a cyanide capsule, perhaps even more so. Exposure to its empty vacuum often results in a blissful loss of consciousness in a matter of seconds. Death by asphyxiation usually follows within two minutes. (from http://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2013/10/astronauts-and-suicide-pills.html)

  Uploaded on Oct 23, 2016 at 5:36 am
As for the 2013 link, it reads that although the Americans weren't issued suicide capsules, at least one Soviet had one (although he didn't say if it was issued by the space program vs him just carrying it with him of his own accord).
[−]dylan604 · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:59 UTC · link
And how would that suicide pill work exactly? It's not like they could reach into their pocket and pop it in their mouth. That means it has to be in the suit and specifically in the helmet. Again, how would that work? Where's the pill located so that it is accessible in the helmet? Did they replace a tooth so they could just bite down really hard like other nonsense spy movies? So much of this doesn't track
[−]echoangle · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:45 UTC · link
> It's not like they could reach into their pocket and pop it in their mouth.

Why not? I think the failure youre defending against is "Retrorockets have failed but the capsule is still pressurized", so you could easily just take the pill and have a nicer death than suffocating.

[−]fhdkweig · 2026-11-15 Sun 19:07 UTC · link
I think he is referring to the soviet in the 2013 link. He was in his suit when he got pinned.

> Though no NASA astronaut has ever taken a suicide pill into space, the same cannot be said for their Russian cosmonaut colleagues. Alexey Leonov, the first man to conduct a spacewalk, took one with him on his historical 12-minute stroll on March 18th, 1965, just in case he was unable to return to the spacecraft and his colleague Pavel Belyayev was forced to leave him adrift in orbit. He almost needed it. When trying to reenter his spacecraft, Leonov's stiffened suit became stuck in the entryway. He was forced to depressurize his suit slightly in order to dislodge himself, slide inside the craft, and close the hatch.

[−]throwawayffffas · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:29 UTC · link
They already had a makarov pistol with them from the start. They made this custom short barrel double shotgun with a third rifle barrel.

This was to fend off wild life and maybe hunting while waiting for the recovery team to get to them if they came down far from the designated recovery zone.

[−]kakacik · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:33 UTC · link
Yeah thats why you invent small 2 barrel shotgun with big ammo and carry it all the way into space, while even small makarov pistol would fulfill that role
[−]SXX · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:37 UTC · link
Source?

Over the years at least 7 soviet missions landed off-target including Yuri Gagarin.

And not like 100-500 meters off target, but 200-600 kilometers. Having a gun in such cases make perfect sense.