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Comment by lazystone | original | All AI-generated code should be Open Source
[−]lazystone · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:30 UTC · link
Human can be inspired. Machine can not. End of story.

All usage of open source to train LLM is basically a theft.

[−]mapontosevenths · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:38 UTC · link
> Human can be inspired. Machine can not. End of story.

Saying things with your chest out doesn't make them true. In fact, making sweeping declarative statements emphatically is very often a sign that you haven't really thought a subject through.

What do you base this opinion on?

[−]dmd · 2026-11-15 Sun 16:55 UTC · link
The word "inspired" in this context literally means having your mind/heart/soul filled and guided by God.

So if you believe that's how things work, well, I'm not sure there's a way to reconcile the two sides of that argument.

[−]matwood · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:14 UTC · link
God doesn't exist, so does that mean there is no such thing as inspiration?
[−]dmd · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:17 UTC · link
Don't look at me. I'm not a dualist. I'm not sure LLMs in particular are "conscious", whatever that means, but I don't have any qualms whatsoever accepting that a machine intelligence could be conscious, because as far as I'm concerned we are also "machine intelligence", just squishier.
[−]bix6 · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:28 UTC · link
Can you definitively prove God doesn’t exist?
[−]dotancohen · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:37 UTC · link
As a person who feels God's presence in his life: I can neither prove nor disprove the presence of an entity which exists outside the realm of physics by which myself I am bound.

It does, however, feel incredulous that somebody would believe that such as entity exists. Yet here I am, aware.

[−]dropshade77 · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:04 UTC · link
What is your reconciliation for the problem of evil?
[−]dotancohen · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:50 UTC · link
I'm not Christian, so I don't hold that God is inherently Good only.

For that matter, I personally don't hold that the concepts of good and bad are even relevant - what is good for the cat is bad for the mouse. Nor do I think that we can even comprehend an entity so outside our everyday experience to even label it good or bad. I often can not even properly label my neighbours as good or bad. Nor do I demand consistency of an entity whose actions and motivations I am unable to comprehend. I can't even claim to be consistent in my handling of my own children, and I have far fewer children than God has of us.

[−]dropshade77 · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:03 UTC · link
You make the concrete claim. Therefore the burden of proof is on you
[−]devmor · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:14 UTC · link
I don’t believe that basing anti-AI laws on Christian religious provenance is meaningfully better than basing pro-AI laws on Rationalist religious provenance.
[−]subscribed · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:31 UTC · link
Rationalism is NOT religious by definition.

What are you trying to say?

[−]swiftcoder · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:51 UTC · link
It's more of a cult than a religion, I guess
[−]reaperducer · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:47 UTC · link
I don’t believe that basing anti-AI laws on Christian religious provenance

I'm curious why specify Christian provenance?

All he did was reference "God." Are you under the impression that only Christians have a god?

[−]lubujackson · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:22 UTC · link
Sure there is: Who wrote the prompt?

You can mock that as a insufficient as "inspiration", but then... what is photography? Click a button? It turns out there is a whole lot of human creativity that remains, from timing, settings and of course, curation. I can click a button, but I'm no Ansel Adams.

Terrence Tao might solve a 100 year old math problem with AI but I couldn't. I don't know where I would start, what to ask or how to ask, or even what problems are worth solving.

AI is a tool and modern copyright laws have nothing to do with human creativity. Split hairs about attribution and legality all you like. Every creative person driven by curiosity should feel empowered by AI. Every creative person driven by social or monetary reward should feel threatened. Both can be true.

[−]lazystone · 2026-11-15 Sun 19:07 UTC · link
What are you talking about? How did you manage to involve, soul and, LOL, God?

Machine is not a person. It legally is not. It can't be "inspired", "taught", "have purpose".

You have a black box. You feed it stolen code. This code is used to write another code. It does not matter what's inside unless there is a human being.

Stolen content as input, stolen content as output. That's it.

Without that code which was fed to the box you wouldn't get the output you're getting.

All this nonsense about "inspiration", "education" and whatnot is just a legal gaslighting.

Want to prove me wrong? Create a model without all that stolen code as training data. Tweak all those weights by hand and we'll talk then.

[−]zzzeek · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:07 UTC · link
I officially approve LLMs training on all of my MIT licensed open source code. It's vastly more useful to me than the thousands of youtubers who are personally profiting from that same code selling courses and tutorials (who also are not stealing it).

So not all use to train an LLM is a theft!

[−]lazystone · 2026-11-15 Sun 19:12 UTC · link
So, do they follow MIT license and "include the original copyright notice and a copy of the MIT license text in all copies"?