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Comment by LoganDark | original | The MacBook Pro's OLED PWM Problem: When a 'Better' Display Becomes Worse to Use
[−]LoganDark · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:18 UTC · link
It's not about whether you can "see 240Hz". CRT phosphors have sustain, while OLED does not. The fully-on, fully-off cycle, if infrequent enough, causes some sort of visual stimulation that some brains absolutely do not like. You don't have to see it to feel it.

Sometimes I can tell flickery fixtures because they just "feel more staticky". I don't get visual eyestrain or nausea though.

[−]ZyanWu · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:44 UTC · link
> You don't have to see it to feel it.

It's not magic. :) You DO see it. 500 Hz for the median observer; above 800 Hz for some individuals. https://doi.org/10.1038/srep07861

[−]LoganDark · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:57 UTC · link
This paper appears to be about the DLP effect that happens when a strobing light moves across your vision. Similar, but not the same thing!

There is still some ability to percieve strobing at a steady state though, even if the amplitude is reduced by visual persistence.

[−]ZyanWu · 2026-11-15 Sun 18:29 UTC · link
What exactly do you mean by "not the same thing"? Using a device means moving your eyes, among other things. I don't exactly stare at a specific point on the screen for the 63 Hz visual persistence to take effect and I'm pretty sure 95% of the other individuals of this world don't do that either
[−]mrob · 2026-11-15 Sun 14:58 UTC · link
>CRT phosphors have sustain

Other than some old monochrome CRTs, all CRT phosphors decay too fast to prevent flicker. You get some softening of the trailing edges of the phantom array images, but they're not actually blurred together like on a sample-and-hold display. And even the fastest CRTs have fairly low refresh rates, making it more obvious.

[−]KaiserPro · 2026-11-15 Sun 17:11 UTC · link
Ok, do you have the same problem with DLP projections? because those colour wheels are slow as fuck compared to 240hz,

what about old-timey film projection? thats ten times slower and fully on/off?