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Comment by echoangle | original | SpaceX catches the Starship to end Flight 15
[−]echoangle · 2026-11-15 Sun 00:09 UTC · link
The system architecture seems to be more fragile than simple capsules with parachutes or even the shuttle (which was already pretty dangerous). There’s no parachute, if you don’t hit the tower during landing you’re in a lot of trouble (unless they can soft-land the ship without the tower and without the bottom exploding?).
[−]xixixao · 2026-11-15 Sun 00:15 UTC · link
“the system is more complicated” is not a good argument for it never working.

A passenger airliner is vastly more complicated than a parachute, yet both work.

(You’re also in a lot of trouble if you don’t hit the runway in an airliner)

[−]echoangle · 2026-11-15 Sun 00:21 UTC · link
The problem isn’t “it’s more complicated” but more “if something goes wrong there’s not a lot you can do”. There’s basically no redundancy and a lot of single points of failure. Having two sets of Parachutes is a lot harder to screw up than a powered landing.

With a normal capsule, you have multiple fuel tanks and redundant RCS thrusters so you’ll practically always be able to deorbit and land (since you also have redundant parachutes). If starship has a fuel leak, how are you going to land, even if you’re able to deorbit?

[−]GolfPopper · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:30 UTC · link
If they reach the launch cadence they're aiming for, the fix for a lot of things is going to become "just send another Ship".
[−]macintux · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:33 UTC · link
That's not an answer to the "is this safe for humans?" question.
[−]nine_k · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:57 UTC · link
Gliding into a large body of water, or maybe just a flat stretch of land? Planes do that sometimes.
[−]WalterBright · 2026-11-15 Sun 09:27 UTC · link
Gliding into the ocean pretty much means you're dead.

There aren't many flat stretches of land.

[−]nine_k · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:05 UTC · link
There are plenty of flat stretches all over the world: in Arizona, Kansas, West Siberia, Mongolia, all over Sahara, Egypt, Sudan, north of Argentina, etc, etc. There's no need for more than several dozen km. If a out-of-fuel Starship can still maneuver with its rudders, it can likely slow down enough for a rough landing.

As of the ocean, given low waves and the airspeed of say 200 km/h, most likely the craft will withstand it if it has withstood the reentry. At least one Starship demonstrated some limited seaworthiness.

[−]bumby · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:46 UTC · link
Sure there are. The Shuttle even landed at White Sands NM due to weather. There are contingencies for exactly that sort of thing.
[−]WalterBright · 2026-11-15 Sun 19:12 UTC · link
Watch the videos of airliners veering off the runway onto flat ground which wrecks the airplane. The landing gear is designed for flat hard runways, not soft bumpy ground.
[−]fooqux · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:59 UTC · link
Problems detected during orbit? Sure.

But during landing? You can't send another ship to rescue the crew that is aboard another Starship that just failed being caught.

[−]computerex · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:55 UTC · link
An airliner has layers upon layers of safety redundancies.

There are multiple flight computers. Practically every essential sensor has copies. Oxygen generation, ram air turbine, life jackets, inflated boats. Onboard radar. TCAS. The airplane itself glides. Then there are thousands of procedural rules and regulations for safe operation.

A system like starship that relies on precise active propulsion has no such room for error.

[−]gertop · 2026-11-15 Sun 07:01 UTC · link
You've clearly padded your list to look more negative because your last sentence only applies to the glide part... Starship obviously has the same redundant flight computers and sensors and radar and TCAS and will have thousands of procedures for safe operation.
[−]computerex · 2026-11-15 Sun 10:12 UTC · link
I was responding to the parent, explaining the layers of safety in an airliner.

And you missed the point. The airplanes wings give it a passive way to glide down. Parachutes also give a passive way for a capsule to fly down. Starship has no such system, either the propulsion works or the rocket just falls out of the sky. There are thousands and thousands of different ways that the propulsion can get screwed up.

Launch vehicles with capsules have redundant escape systems. If the vehicle during ascent is malfunctioning the crew can escape and safely land. In starship the crew will just blow up and die.

Starship is NOT man rated so let’s see what SpaceX comes up with. But one cannot ignore the glaring issues with the design.