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Comment by RobotToaster | original | SpaceX catches the Starship to end Flight 15
[−]RobotToaster · 2026-11-14 Sat 22:38 UTC · link
The space shuttle orbiter definitely had a lot more cool factor.
[−]bluescrn · 2026-11-14 Sat 22:46 UTC · link
It was extremely cool 45+ years ago. But the space race ended, and while government-funded space programs did some fantastic work beyond that (space telescopes and Mars landers), it took capitalism to develop the resuable rocket, then scale it up to Starship proportions.
[−]timacles · 2026-11-14 Sat 23:29 UTC · link
Like 50% of SpaceXs initial development came from tax payer money.
[−]kortilla · 2026-11-14 Sat 23:37 UTC · link
The government was a customer. That’s very different from the government giving a research grant.

That’s like saying 25% of Exxon’s development came from tax payer money because the government uses a shitload of oil.

[−]qlte · 2026-11-15 Sun 00:21 UTC · link
A more accurate analogy would be giving contracts to Exxon back before they had ever found or drilled a single oil well, as their primary source of revenue to subsidize their R&D and learning curve, in the hope that they would eventually be able to supply the government with needed oil, and ultimately succeeded to become a key supplier.
[−]somenameforme · 2026-11-15 Sun 02:34 UTC · link
They only gave the contract once Falcon had already gotten into orbit.
[−]boznz · 2026-11-15 Sun 03:34 UTC · link
A good investment by Uncle Sam, it's saved them quite a bit since.
[−]wallst07 · 2026-11-15 Sun 07:48 UTC · link
You realize that tax payer money goes to a lot of things the government is required to purchase?

It's like saying tax payers are funding charmin because the pentagon uses its TP.

[−]hinkley · 2026-11-14 Sat 23:27 UTC · link
I think I’m convinced that VTOL is a better engineering trade off for space ships rather than making space planes.
[−]pigpop · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:15 UTC · link
Absolutely, wings only work in Earth's atmosphere. Rocket propulsion can work anywhere. Leaving the landing gear on Earth is also a no brainer since it's only ever used there so why bring it all the way to orbit with you? Thankfully all the other rocks we'd want to land on have much lower gravity so landing on them can be done with lightweight legs. Hell, maybe there's a way to send the landing structure ahead of time like some variation on that Chinese cable catcher they used for their copycat.
[−]pfdietz · 2026-11-14 Sat 23:40 UTC · link
It also had a large stupid factor. Like one of von Braun's Germans was reported to have said: "they reinvented the wheel -- and made it square."
[−]Rzor · 2026-11-15 Sun 04:55 UTC · link
Could you share a bit more about where that quote came from exactly? Any primary sources?
[−]pfdietz · 2026-11-15 Sun 12:58 UTC · link
No, unfortunately I cannot. I've looked. So I can't dismiss the possibility it's apocryphal. I do remember seeing it so I'm not just making it up (but frustratingly I cannot present evidence to convince you of that).
[−]RobotToaster · 2026-11-15 Sun 15:34 UTC · link
Part of its design specification was the ability to recover satellites from orbit, it's rumoured this was to have the ability to capture soviet satellites.