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Comment by panick21_ | original | SpaceX catches the Starship to end Flight 15
[−]panick21_ · 2026-11-14 Sat 21:29 UTC · link
Kind of crazy to reduce the hardware on ship so much and move so much complexity to the ground. This can really only happen in a situation where anybody can throw out any dumb idea, because if you suggested this 20 years ago people would think you are an idiot.
[−]origini · 2026-11-14 Sat 21:53 UTC · link
What do you mean? Reducing the complexity of the drive doesn't mean moving anything to ground?

Or do i miss something?

[−]fedpost · 2026-11-14 Sat 22:19 UTC · link
That's...the point. You can hire commercial welders to work on the ground side and build everything out once, cheaply.

The issue with the shuttle era was that they needed huge teams of specialized technicians to refurbish the insanely complex orbiter after every mission.

If we ever get sufficiently improved materials science for heat shields and engines there's still always a possibility of returning to the SSTO space plane concept. That would allow a more austere launch and recovery environment, but given current limitations this is the local maxima.

[−]sfblah · 2026-11-15 Sun 00:56 UTC · link
The actual problem with the shuttle was the same as the same as the actual problem with all space technologies -- there just isn't that much value in launching stuff into space. It's nonzero, but it's a rounding error when compared to terrestrial applications.
[−]TMWNN · 2026-11-15 Sun 02:29 UTC · link
>This can really only happen in a situation where anybody can throw out any dumb idea, because if you suggested this 20 years ago people would think you are an idiot.

Indeed.

Musk's biographer tweeted the pages from his book <https://x.com/WalterIsaacson/status/1844870018351169942> discussing how in late 2020 Musk suggested, then insisted against considerable opposition from his engineers, that Superheavy be caught with chopsticks instead of landing on legs like Falcon 9.

Also according to the book, Musk is the person who suggested and, against considerable opposition from his engineers, insisted on Starship switching to stainless steel instead of carbon fiber <https://x.com/richardprice100/status/1728106606616015097>.

(Hint to others: Musk was right and his engineers were wrong. Both times.)