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Comment by adverbly | original | Lovable apps expose passport details and more than 200K private messages
[−]adverbly · 2026-11-14 Sat 18:49 UTC · link
It's incredible how little understanding the average person has about data, privacy, and security.

Allowing anyone to build and host a public app without a basic understanding of these things is like letting people fly a passenger plane without a license.

[−]cheschire · 2026-11-14 Sat 18:53 UTC · link
Those are not even remotely equivalent costs.
[−]heartbreak · 2026-11-14 Sat 19:36 UTC · link
You’re right, only if the person building the application is using sound judgement, which goes against the premise.

You and I wouldn’t build applications naively that could lead to people dying. People who don’t understand what they’re building might.

People are vibe coding at your hospital. They’re vibe coding at your utility company. They’re vibe coding at your pharma lab. I’ve met these people. They’re smart. They have phds. I tell them about SSL.

[−]JumpCrisscross · 2026-11-14 Sat 19:39 UTC · link
Nobody is dying from this leak.
[−]hdjrudni · 2026-11-14 Sat 19:49 UTC · link
I'm sure some people are having their lives turned upside down by these data breaches.
[−]ceehex · 2026-11-14 Sat 20:04 UTC · link
domino effect, these leaked credentials could easily end up on the darknet and used as data for black hat tracking tools which criminals use
[−]JumpCrisscross · 2026-11-14 Sat 20:17 UTC · link
> these leaked credentials could easily end up on the darknet and used as data for black hat tracking tools which criminals use

And then they could do something else that might result in property damage. Not at all comparable to the danger of an unlicensed pilot.

[−]markovs_gun · 2026-11-14 Sat 22:29 UTC · link
No, but identity theft really sucks.
[−]schrodinger · 2026-11-15 Sun 00:41 UTC · link
Woman has an abusive ex and moves to a new address.

Keeps it private from him and is very careful who she shares it with.

Buys something online from a website she had no idea was built on Lovable (doesn't even know what that is, why would she?).

He finds her address, knock knock.

Unlikely? Yes, at the individual level. But the odds that just one customer out of all the folks using the 4,000 websites estimated by this researcher to leak private information is in a situation where their address becoming public puts them at risk? Probably pretty high...

It's easy to shrug these situations off, especially when you're not affected. But if you had all of the information needed to steal your identity — including your fucking *Passport,* you might understand the severity of the consequences a bit more viscerally. And FFS, who the hell is using Lovable to build a website that does something serious enough to warrant collecting Passport information?

Keep in mind these no-code sites are proliferating at the very same time that LLMs are becoming incredibly effective at finding vulnerabilities — even Postgres delayed their latest release to focus on a backlog of serious bugs uncovered by an LLM (Opus?). sshhole.com is another example of an egregious bug in ssh being uncovered after years in the wild by LLMs. It's really a perfect storm…

[−]neathack · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:05 UTC · link
One type of leaked data not previously mentioned was private family photos.
[−]TeMPOraL · 2026-11-14 Sat 18:54 UTC · link
> Allowing anyone to build and host a public app without a basic understanding of these things is like letting people fly a passenger plane without a license

Is it now? How many hundreds of people have died as a result? How much infrastructure was destroyed?

I get the point you're trying to make, but computer security as a field has already a big problem with maximalist mindset, and it doesn't help in keeping systems of consequence actually secure and people safe from danger.

[−]vincnetas · 2026-11-14 Sat 19:08 UTC · link
careful what you wish for. do you want outlaw teenagers of playing with computers until they get government issued web license?
[−]easterncalculus · 2026-11-14 Sat 19:19 UTC · link
If that user is European the answer is almost definitely a 100% serious yes.
[−]mns · 2026-11-14 Sat 19:22 UTC · link
After dryers and AC, the EU is coming for your websites!!!
[−]schrodinger · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:30 UTC · link
They already have — thank them for every fucking cookie banner. UGH! Whoever thought that was a good idea is a huge fucking moron — it just trains people to click "Yes, allow, whatever gets this things out of my way the fastest." It's almost as bad as Canadian Geese — don't get me started.

(That doesn't mean I don't appreciate/envy the GDPR, as a US citizen.)

[−]acjohnson55 · 2026-11-14 Sat 20:19 UTC · link
I could imagine licensing for handling certain forms of data. Or at the very least, liability.
[−]cowlevel · 2026-11-15 Sun 10:46 UTC · link
Liability already exists
[−]jimbokun · 2026-11-14 Sat 20:43 UTC · link
If they are running a company handling sensitive customer data…then yes.
[−]vincnetas · 2026-11-15 Sun 13:55 UTC · link
So handling sensitive data is already regulated.
[−]gjvc · 2026-11-14 Sat 19:34 UTC · link
It's incredible how little understanding the average person has about plumbing, heating, and electricity.
[−]serial_dev · 2026-11-14 Sat 20:12 UTC · link
And I do not try to “vibe” plumb or do the electricity or heating of my house.
[−]Sebguer · 2026-11-14 Sat 20:16 UTC · link
They're also all licensed professions.
[−]gjvc · 2026-11-14 Sat 21:16 UTC · link
only in some jurisdictions. in many places the job titles are not even protected.
[−]fn-mote · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:24 UTC · link
To be clear many many homeowners do.

You can watch DIY channels on YouTube where homeowners explain their methods.

In particular, they are vibe-rehabbing entire homes.

[−]felixyz · 2026-11-14 Sat 20:26 UTC · link
Allowing anyone to design, install, and maintain the plumbing, heating, and electricity of your house without a basic understanding of these things is like...
[−]ivan_gammel · 2026-11-14 Sat 20:23 UTC · link
I strongly disagree with the second part. Building public app should not require same level of skill as flying an airplane. Not even the same as getting a driver license. It had to be simple, secure and compliant.

The problem are product managers and engineers who build things like Lovable, that are not secure by design. Those products have no right to exist, but their alternatives could exist and let their users focus on what matters, instead of paying web development tax.

[−]vibebingo · 2026-11-15 Sun 03:19 UTC · link
When the number of things you can possibly build is infinite and LLMs are not guaranteed to catch security issues you need some skill or you constrain what can be built to a subset. I.e. build a platform where users own their data and it is partitioned and the slop runs atop that. Similar to running the slop on an airgapped laptop.

The plane analogy would be selling tickets to passengers. Who then don't need a pilot license to get somewhere.

[−]tokioyoyo · 2026-11-14 Sat 21:19 UTC · link
I’ve been mentioning it for years, but data, privacy, and security do not matter to most people, despite them saying so. Personally I operate assuming that my IDs, passport and etc. have already been leaked at some point. So, if someone says my PII has leaked once again, I’d just shrug and move on.

When Equifax thing happened, there was basically no repercussions. And that’s the only data breach I recall being in the news cycle for more than a week. Everything else has just been a blip since then. Also as there were no real repercussions other than some fines, companies took it as a signal that nobody cares (rightfully).

[−]schrodinger · 2026-11-15 Sun 01:27 UTC · link
I've got a similar viewpoint. I'm always surprised when someone freaks out about their credit card info being leaked, for example. At least in the US, you're almost always guaranteed to get the money back ASAP for any unauthorized charges and a new credit card sent to you (overnight if you need it, for higher-end cards). So why are people so afraid of their credit cards being "stolen"?