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Comment by cube00 | original | ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2
[−]cube00 · 2026-07-01 Wed 21:00 UTC · link
It's impressive all these companies are getting away with "base usage allowance included" [1] or "standard limits" [2], layering the higher plans as a multiplier of that "base" but never disclosing what it is.

I guess the base is whatever the profit margin needs to be this month.

[1]: https://zcode.z.ai/en#:~:text=Base%20usage%20allowance%20inc...

[2]: https://support.google.com/gemini/answer/16275805?hl=en#:~:t...

[−]nucleative · 2026-07-01 Wed 22:25 UTC · link
A strategy that can backfire. An unpredictable tool is worse than a bad tool.
[−]ranyume · 2026-07-01 Wed 22:49 UTC · link
When running the app, it actually tells you what the base usages are, but the name of the plans are different from the page. It reads:

Start plan: 5 Million tokens a day (GLM-5.2 3M, GLM-5 Turbo 2M)

For individuals: (+150% quota) $18.00USD+ For individual developers with a dedicated Coding Plan quota.

[−]SwellJoe · 2026-07-01 Wed 23:16 UTC · link
Now, if only we can figure out what all the others are providing as part of their subscriptions we can compare. (Though 3 million tokens of the top model per day seems kinda low. But, I guess that's what the 5x plan is for. I'd still like to be able to compare against all the big providers.)
[−]trentor · 2026-07-02 Thu 00:35 UTC · link
You can just track the tokens used in Claude Code and codex until you hit the limit?
[−]SwellJoe · 2026-07-02 Thu 05:51 UTC · link
Can you?
[−]ranyume · 2026-07-02 Thu 00:55 UTC · link
Note that it says "start plan" without a price tag. The price tag for the other plan is the one on the page. I don't know what it is because I haven't set up an account to use it, I set up a custom provider in the app.

The app itself is interesting to me. I can see most of the agent trace (I can't see the tool definitions and the tool input args), I can set up skills and make the agent manage them and I can define sub-agents as well.

The UI itself is a bit weird, but I guess it's not thought to be a general purpose file editor.

[−]reissbaker · 2026-07-02 Thu 02:02 UTC · link
Agreed this sucks. We publish ours here and try to be as transparent as possible: https://synthetic.new/rate-limits
[−]Sidio · 2026-07-02 Thu 05:21 UTC · link
Love both the approach and the transparency. Kudos.
[−]nullbio · 2026-07-02 Thu 03:36 UTC · link
Yeah, this is why I like the ACCC in Australia. They wouldn't allow this sort of thing to fly if this was an Australian company.